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				<description><![CDATA[On May 15, Harry Falk announced on the Indology mailing list that Johannes Bronkhorst had &#8220;left this world&#8221;. In the following weeks the mailing list (and, I am sure, other online forums) has been virtually monopolised by people remembering the man and his endless contributions to Sanskrit studies and connected fields. In fact, Johannes has [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On May 15, Harry Falk announced on the Indology mailing list that Johannes Bronkhorst had &#8220;left this world&#8221;. In the following weeks the mailing list (and, I am sure, other online forums) has been virtually monopolised by people remembering the man and his endless contributions to Sanskrit studies and connected fields. In fact, Johannes has been extremely prolific (<em>Greater Magadha</em> was written in just one semester!) and his contributions have been impactful with almost no comparison.
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<p> He had studied first mathematics and physics and then moved to studying Sanskrit in India, Pune. In a recent interview with Vincent Eltschinger (on April 21 2025) he commented the choice to travel to India as due to his desire not to serve as a soldier —a choice which was deeply important to him. But, whatever the initial motivation, his years-long stay in India was meaningful and influential for his life and he never grew out of his fascination for Indian thought. </p>
<p>The fact that he started studying Sanskrit while in India is key to understand the role of Vyākaraṇa in his first many decades of work, given that Vyākaraṇa (or Sanskrit linguistics) is still studied and lively engaged with in contemporary India in general and in Pune in particular. Vyākaraṇa demands deep and almost complete dedication because of its technical character. One needs to know by heart or at least to be able to navigate all the 4000 aphorisms of Pāṇini&#8217;s seminal work for the school, together with their punctual glosses by Kātyāyana and the commentary by Patañjali, and this before even being able to open one&#8217;s mouth in a symposium of Vaiyākaraṇas. Bronkhorst has been able to contribute to this very technical field, especially to its perhaps most original thinker, Bhartṛhari, but without being swallowed up by the labyrinth of Vyākaraṇa. In contrast, he learnt from its method and contents, but retained his untameable intellectual curiosity. </p>
<p> For scholars of Bhartṛhari, Bronkhorst&#8217;s articles are indispensable. But even the ones among of us who never specialised on Bhartṛhari have probably been influenced by Bronkhorst and by his unique blend of thought-provoking ideas and thorough knowledge of the sources. In fact, Bronkhorst was an avid and fast reader, who read hundreds of pages of both Sanskrit scholarship and contemporary, mainly scientific, papers. His ideas looked at first sight almost too thought-provoking, almost like balons d&#8217;essay  (trial balloons). However, when one tried to refute them, one was forced to see that Bronkhorst knew the Sanskrit sources of the relevant period thoroughly and that his bold ideas were in fact also well-grounded. (Apologies for not discussing here whether they were also ultimately right and completely so. I want to focus more on what we can learn from him than on correcting the occasional typos or on disagreeing with specific points.)
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<p>For instance, in May 2021 Dominik Wujastyk organised a (virtual) conference on the topic of Johannes Bronkhorst&#8217;s <em>Greater Magadha</em> (2007), which possibly remains his most influential book. Bronkhorst himself had been invited as a respondent for talks which all engaged with his hypothesis. I was only in the audience, but was astonished to see how, almost twenty years after the book&#8217;s composition, Bronkhorst was still able to discuss each of its aspects and to respond (again, I will let to others to assess whether successfully) to each criticism raised by the speakers, through precise references to the epics and/or to Vedic texts. </p>
<p>Let me know enter into some details about a few of Johannes Bronkhorst&#8217;s contributions. Again, let me emphasise that there are too many to discuss even a significant percentage of them and that therefore the choice will be partly whimsical. I will focus on </p>
<ul>
<li>a) The sceptical Johannes Bronkhorst looking at the development of Sanskrit philosophy: The <em>Greater Magadha</em> hypothesis, the &#8220;discovery of dialogue&#8221; and its significance for the history of Sanskrit philosophy</li>
<li>b) The sceptical Johannes Bronkhorst looking at the role of authors in Sanskrit philosophy: his hypothesis about a unitary Yogaśāstra and dis-unitary Mīmāṃsāsūtra and its importance for how we assess Sanskrit aphoristic texts</li>
<li>c) His hypothesis about a radical difference between Sanskrit thought and European thought</li>
<li>d) His general sceptical-scientific methodology</li>
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<li>a) <em>Greater Magadha</em> is one of those books about which we remember a moment before and a moment after. Before the book, scholars and lay people alike took it for granted that there was a single line of development within Indian though and that since the Buddha and his thought postdated early Vedic texts by centuries, these needed to contain the seeds which would have later led to the development of Buddhist thought. The texts which were conceptually closer to ancient Buddhism, namely the Upaniṣads were therefore dated to before the Buddha.
<p> The <em>Greater Magadha</em> takes the opposite point of view and looks at the evidence available with fresh eyes and notices that they are less uniform than we might think. They thus point to a different line of development, one in which there were different roots for Indian culture, which developed in parallel and not just a single line. On the West, the brāhmaṇic culture produced the Vedic texts. On the East of the Indian subcontinent, around Magadha, the culture he provisionally called &#8220;śramaṇic&#8221; produced Jainism and Buddhism, as well as key ideas that were later absorbed in the Brahmanic fold, such as karman and rebirth. By the way, the presence of an Eastern border for the Brahmanical culture is also attested by Patañjali&#8217;s definition of Āryavarta, which has an Eastern boundary (unlike Manu&#8217;s description of the same, only a few centuries later).</p>
<p>The <em>Greater Magadha</em> can explain why karman and rebirth make a sudden entry in the Upaniṣads although they are virtually absent from the preceding Vedic texts. They enter the Brahmanical culture so well-developed and all at once because they had been elaborated for centuries outside of the Brahmanical culture. If Bronkhorst is right, one can stop looking for faint traces of possible forerunners of karman and rebirth in the Vedic Saṃhitās and start focusing on how the theory was already developed in Buddhist texts and then imported into the Upaniṣads. One can also invert the chronology of the Upaniṣads, which post-date the encounter with śramaṇic culture (this does not mean that they need to postdate the life of Siddhartha Gautama, since he was only one exponent of that culture, as is clear through the parallel of Jainism). The same applies to the claim that &#8220;Yoga&#8221; was practiced by the Buddha. In contrast, the similarities between the PYŚ and the Buddha&#8217;s teachings should be. according to Bronkhorst, interpreted as an influence of Buddhism into Yoga.</br></p>
<p>Although I am here mainly focusing on philosophical issues, let me emphasise again that Bronkhorst&#8217;s reconstruction is extremely detailed and covers also aspects like the different funerary practices (round stūpas in the East vs. quadrilateral moulds in the West), the approach to medicine and the conception of a cyclical time, as well as the opposition between a urban (Magadha) and rural (brahmanical) culture. Last, it has the advantage of providing a methodology to identify what is original in the teaching of the Buddha and to explain why asceticism is both endorsed in the Pāli canon and criticised by the Buddha (it was part of his cultural milieu).
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<li>a2) Distinguishing communities and not looking for historical links when they are virtually absent was at the basis of another of Bronkhorst&#8217;s contributions, namely the idea that the roots of Indian dialectics should be placed in the Buddhist communities in the northwest of the Indian subcontinent (which might have been influenced by the Greek tradition of public debate in the Indo-Bactrian kingdoms) and that it was useless to consider Upaniṣadic dialogues as the forerunners of the dialectical engagements which became standard in Sanskrit philosophy. Upaniṣadic dialogues are just something different (closer to the instruction by a wise person). </li>
<li>b) Bronkhorst was (to my knowledge, as always) the first one to propose the idea of a unitary composition for what is known as the <em>Yogasūtra</em> and the <em>Yogabhāṣya</em> He spoke accordingly of a unitary Yogaśāstra. Like in the previous case, the idea is mind-blowing. Up to that point, many scholars had tried to reconstruct the worldview of the <em>Yogasūtra</em> as divided from the <em>Yogabhāṣya</em> and the Sāṅkhya intervention of the latter. If Bronkhorst&#8217;s hypothesis is correct, by contrast, the division into sūtra &#8216;aphorism&#8217; and bhāṣya &#8216;commentary&#8217; is only a polarity within a single text. This explains what could have otherwise been considered an anomaly, like the complete absence of an autonomous transmission of the <em>Yogasūtra</em>. Like in the Greater Magadha case, one could find alternative explanations, but Bronkhorst&#8217;s hypothesis has the advantage of showing a possibility for streamlining explanations and avoiding unnecessary additional steps (in Sanskrit, one would call that <em>kalpanāgaurava</em>). I should add in this connection that Bronkhorst&#8217;s hypothesis was presented in just an article (1985), but has thereafter been embraced by Philipp Maas (see especially Maas 2006 and Maas 2013) who found many evidences corroborating it, from manuscripts to the syntax of the sūtra-bhāṣya connecting links.</li>
<li>b2) A similar case is that of the relation between the so-called Pūrva and Uttara Mīmāṃsā Sūtra, also known as Mīmāṃsā Sūtra and Brahma Sūtra. Authors before Bronkhorst had discussed their relation and chronology, Bronkhorst (2007) suggested that the latter imitates the style of the former, though not emerging from the same exegetical milieu.</li>
<li>c) In the occasion of Ernst Steinkellner&#8217;s retirement, a symposium on the topic &#8220;Denkt Asien anders?&#8221; (<em>Does Asia think differently?</em>) was organised. Bronkhorst&#8217;s intervention led to a later book chapter and finally a book on the topic of what is different in Sanskrit thought. Bronkhorst proposed, as usual, a thought-provoking thesis, namely that there is indeed a radical difference, namely the reliance on language by Sanskrit philosophers.<br />
He explained how the various causation theories within Sanskrit philosophy (from Vaiśeṣika to Vedānta etc.) and the puzzled they involved (such as how could it be possible to bring into existence something that previously did not exist) are all due to thinking about the problem in linguistic terms. Their answers, in other words, were oriented by the Sanskrit form of basic sentences such as &#8220;the potter makes a pot&#8221;. In fact, how can the pot figure as the object of a sentence, given that it does not exist yet? Bronkhorst thought that this was a linguistic problem, namely one occasioned by the structure of language and not an ontological one. Westerners, according to Bronkhorst, would have immediately labeled the pot as non-existing until it is realised by the potter and would not have paused on its ontological status, whereas Indians never distinguished between linguistic and external reality.<br /> <br />
This is an interesting insight, and in fact there are several elements suggesting (as Karl Potter maintained) that the “linguistic turn” occurred in India much earlier than in Europe (note that I am saying the same thing Bronkhorst said, but looking at it from a more favourable perspective), such as the insistence on the analysis of linguistic data in order to solve epistemological or ontological issues (cf. the insistence on the linguistic use <em>śabdaṃ kṛ-</em> within the debate about the ontological status of <em>śabda</em>).</li>
<li>d) Bronkhorst was a convinced asserter of the scientific approach. This does not mean that he was an a-priori believer in natural sciences. Rather, he thought that the scientific method is based on a healthy form of scepticism and thus can never lead to fanatical beliefs nor to any form of &#8220;scientific traditionalism&#8221; (if correctly applied). For this very reason, he also thought that the scientific method was not &#8220;Western&#8221;, it had proven to work because of its ability to ask questions and thus to be universal. He took seriously Yoga and meditation techniques and thought that they could be analysed with the scientific method and possibly lead to new discoveries.
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<li>d2) Similarly, Bronkhorst clearly looked down on blind believers and thus praised Sanskrit philosophers for their ability to distinguish myths from arguments. In &#8220;What did Indian philosophers believe?&#8221; (2010) he noted that Sanskrit philosophers did not attack each other based on myths (although, one may add, some Buddhist philosophers did have fun at criticising some passages of the Veda and Kumārila made fun of the walls-speaking argument), but rather their arguments (&#8220;These philosophers, while criticising each others&#8217; views, never attacked each others&#8217; myths. Yet these myths would have been easy targets, if they had been seriously believed in&#8221;). In short, the reliance on the scientific method meant a radical openness to defeasibility of one&#8217;s beliefs and to a data-based approach.</li>
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<p>Let me add a few words about Johannes Bronkhorst as a human being. The Indology list was full of &#8220;Bronkhorst stories&#8221; and therefore I will not need to take too much of your time with them (you can read them on the Indology archives). Let me just point out how Bronkhorst was generous and supportive with younger scholars and even students, but in a very unique way. I still remember our first meeting. I was an undergraduate student and he immediately asked me which were my key interests (I was unable to give a specific answer, at that point I was just busy learning Sanskrit and reading as much as possible of any text my professors read). I read or hear similar stories from others, all pointing to how Bronkhorst took people seriously, even young people. He was supportive, but not patronising. He was interested in one&#8217;s opinion, but would not refrain from saying that it was wrong if he thought so, according to the scientific method discussed above. He would not mince words to attack a view, but not so when coming to the person holding it, and I have seen him greeting warmly people with whom he had had violent disagreements on specific issues.</p>
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		<title>Squarcini on the authorship of the Yogasūtra</title>
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				<description><![CDATA[As most readers will know, Johannes Bronkhorst (1985) and Philipp Maas (2006, 2013, see also this post) have recently cast doubt on the traditional idea that the Yogasūtra has been authored by Patañjali and then commented upon by Vyāsa in the Yogabhāṣya. Some authors (such as Dominik Wujastyk, Jim Mallinson and Jonardon Ganeri, if I [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As most readers will know, Johannes Bronkhorst (1985) and Philipp Maas (2006, 2013, see also <a href="http://elisafreschi.com/2014/01/03/is-there-really-a-single-author-of-the-yogasutra-and-yogabha%e1%b9%a3ya/" target="_blank">this post</a>) have recently cast doubt on the traditional idea that the <em>Yogasūtra</em> has been authored by Patañjali and then commented upon by Vyāsa in the <em>Yogabhāṣya</em>. Some authors (such as Dominik <a href="https://www.academia.edu/33422853/Revolutions_in_Indology-delivered_at_Chinmaya_University_Cochin_2017" target="_blank">Wujastyk</a>, Jim Mallinson and Jonardon <a href="https://www.academia.edu/25974235/The_Oxford_Handbook_of_Indian_Philosophy_2017_Introduction_and_Table_of_Contents" target="_blank">Ganeri</a>, if I am not misunderstanding them) have accepted Maas&#8217; view. Others don&#8217;t accept it without offering much explanation (see Shyam Ranganathan&#8217;s few lines in his <em>Handbook of Indian Ethics</em>). Federico Squarcini engages in his translation and study of the <em>Yogasūtra</em> in a longer discussion of this view, <span id="more-2509"></span><br />
but unfortunately in Italian. Since a student asked me to do so, I am here going to highlight the main points in Squarcini&#8217;s presentation, hoping that they might be helpful also to other readers (pp. cxi&#8211;cxxv):</p>
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<li>It is true that the early commentaries refer to the YS-YBh complex</li>
<li> It is also true that Vedavyāsa is mentioned as author of the YBh only relatively late, possibly for the first time in Vācaspati&#8217;s <em>Tattvavaiśāradī</em></li>
<li>Furthermore, it is only with Mādhava&#8217;s <em>Sarvadarśanasaṅgraha</em> that people start distinguishing Patañjali&#8217;s from Vyāsa&#8217;s authorships.</li>
<li>Nonetheless, Maas&#8217; argument is too dependent on the manuscript tradition, which has the two texts together, but is extremely recent (for Maas&#8217; reply that recent manuscripts must depend on earlier models, see <a href="http://indianphilosophyblog.org/2016/03/28/again-on-the-existence-of-a-separate-yogasutra/" target="_blank">this post</a>).</li>
<li>Squarcini also mentions in a footnote that Vyāsa himself mentions the name of Patañjali (but see a further <a href="http://elisafreschi.com/2016/03/28/again-on-the-existence-of-a-separate-yogasutra/#respond" target="_blank">post</a> on this blog for D. Wujastyk&#8217;s answer thereon).</li>
<li>After having, in his opinion, weakened Maas&#8217; arguments, Squarcini lies down his own one in favour of the existence of a separate YS: The text is highly and consistently structured and locates itself within a net of intertextual references, which the author of the YBh partly ignores. Squarcini claims to have identified the deep structure of the YS and distinguishes several subtopics within the main topics, signalling them as such in the Sanskrit text and in the translation. Accordingly, Squarcini highlights some key sūtras of the YS which work as if they were <em>adhikaraṇasūtra</em>s.</li>
<li>Accordingly, Squarcini&#8217;s translation does not need to borrow words from the commentaries, as most other translations.</li>
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<p>The forelast point is the most relevant one and it is substantiated in the first hundred pages of Squarcini&#8217;s introductory study. I will highlight here some of the elements which struck as most interesting. Readers are alerted that this is nothing but my summary, not (yet) validated by F. Squarcini.</p>
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<li>The question of the alleged YS-YBh unity has an impact also on the alleged proximity of the Sāṅkhya and Yoga systems. Squarcini argues against it on the strength of texts more or less coeval to the YS (e.g., <em>Milinsapañha</em>, <em>Visuddhimagga</em>, <em>Madhyamakahṛdayakārikā</em>, see p. lxxviiff), including the <em>Nyāyasūtra</em>, which ignores Sāṅkhya but discusses at length Yoga.</li>
<li>Notwithstanding some affinities, e.g., the use of the words <em>puruṣa</em>, <em>prakṛti</em> and <em>kaivalya</em>, the YS understands them very differently than, say, the <em>Sāṅkhyakārikā</em> (pp. lxxxi&#8211;lxxxii).</li>
<li>The dualism of the YS is, unlike that of Sāṅkhya and also (although Squarcini does not spell this out explicitely) of the YBh, is not an ultimate dualism. <em>pusuṣa</em> and <em>prakṛti</em> will not remain distinct until the end. Rather, the dualism of the YS is an &#8220;eliminative dualism&#8221; (the label is by Paul M. Churchland). Squarcini here elaborates on hints which can be found in Adolf Janacek (1951) and in L.W. Pflueger&#8217;s <em>Dueling with Dualism. Revisioning the Paradox of Puruṣa and Prakṛti</em> (see pp. lxxxvii&#8211;cxi)
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				<description><![CDATA[Marginal notes on a workshop in Hawai'i, part 2. Can God as the perfect omniscient knower guarantee the possibility of a reality disidentified from all local perspectives and thus independent of them, though remaining inherently intelligible (by God Himself)? It depends on how one understands God. As discussed already here, Indian authors can mean at least four different things when they speak about &#8220;God&#8221;, [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em id="gnt_postsubtitle" style="color:#770005;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1.3em;line-height:1.2em;font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;" style="color:#770005;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1.3em;line-height:1.2em;font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;" style="color:#770005;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1.3em;line-height:1.2em;font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;">Marginal notes on a workshop in Hawai'i, part 2</em></p> <p>Can God as the perfect omniscient knower guarantee the possibility of a reality disidentified from all local perspectives and thus independent of them, though remaining inherently intelligible (by God Himself)? It depends on how one understands God.</p>
<p>As discussed already <a href="http://elisafreschi.com/2016/11/23/analytical-philosophy-of-religion-with-indian-categories/">here</a>, Indian authors can mean at least four different things when they speak about &#8220;God&#8221;, namely:</p>
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<li>—the <em>devatā</em>s of mythology, like Indra and Zeus (during this workshop in Hawai&#8217;s, Andrew Nicholson has shown several examples of how philosophers make fun of this naive conception of Gods)</li>
<li>—the <em>īśvara</em> of rational theology. He is usually omniscient and omnipotent and mostly also benevolent. In Indian thought, He can be proven to exist and to be such through rational arguments (e.g., through an inference from the fact that mountains, being an effect, need a creator, like pots). </li>
<li>—the <em>brahman</em> of Advaita Vedānta is an impersonal Deity. In some forms of Vedānta it is interpreted pantheistically as tantamount to the universe.</li>
<li>—the <em>bhagavat</em> kind of God is the one one is linked to through a personal relationship. His or Her devotees might consider Him omniscient or omnipotent, but in fact their reasons for loving Him of Her are different and regard their being in relation with Him or Her.</li>
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<p>Which God can help guaranteeing the world&#8217;s reality? The <em>devatā</em> kind of Gods are clearly irrelevant for this purpose, since they are not even omniscient and surely do not represent an impartial perspective. The <em>brahman</em> kind of God is omniscient only in a sense akin to the Buddha&#8217;s being omniscient, namely insofar as it does not lack any relevant information, but it does not at all guarantee the reality of the world of direct realism. In fact, the world is for Advaita Vedāntins an illusion.</p>
<p>The <em>īśvara</em> kind of God seems the best candidate. But which kind of <em>īśvara</em>? Matthew <a href="https://sites.google.com/site/matthewdasti/">Dasti</a>&#8216;s talk elaborated on the early history of <em>īśvara</em> in Nyāya, showing how the system&#8217;s basic premisses at least facilitated the elaboration of an <em>īśvara</em> concept. This evolution culminates in a full-fledged rational theology by Udayana. For Udayana, the <em>īśvara</em> he tries to prove rationally is not just any intelligent maker that can be inferred as the cause from the premise that the earth, mountains and plants sprouting from it are effects. That intelligent maker had to be:*</p>
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<li>A super-soul with eternal knowledge of everything, and especially of the past and future good and bad actions of all human beings that ever lived.</li>
<li>One who has natural control or lordship over the material universe and other individual souls whose bodies he creates according to their beginninglessly earned merits and demerits.</li>
<li>One who joins the eternal atoms in the beginning of each cosmic cycle according to a remembered blue-print giving rise to the two-ness in a dyad by his primordial act of counting.</li>
<li>One who makes the otherwise unconscious “destiny” (unseen karmic traces, <em>adṛṣṭa</em>)) or law of moral retribution work.</li>
<li>One who acts directly through his eternal will and agency without the mediation of a body, although all the “intelligent makers” one has ever encountered produce effects with a body of their own.</li>
<li>One who composes the Vedas which tell human beings how to live a good life, through “do”s and “don’t”s, which would otherwise be devoid of the imperative force that they command.</li>
<li>One who establishes the conventional connection between primitive words and their meant entities.</li>
<li>One who, after creating the world, also sustains and in the fullness of time destroys it.</li>
<li>Showers grace on humans and other creatures so that each soul can eventually attain their summum bonum—final liberation from all ensnaring karma and suffering.</li>
<li>One who remains constantly and uniformly blissful through all these actions which do not touch his changeless essence and for which he has no “need”.</li>
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<p>Such an <em>īśvara</em> has been discussed by Arindam Chakrabarti in his final talk on Vācaspati, insofar as He seems to be the only kind of God who can be said to be omniscient in the &#8220;hard&#8221; sense of possessing a complete knowledge of all states of affairs. However, He is vulnerable to objections to omniscience raised both in European and Indian philosophy. E.g.: How to delimit the range of &#8220;all&#8221; in &#8220;<a href="http://elisafreschi.com/2017/03/22/omniscience-and-realism/" target="_blank">omniscience</a>&#8220;? Can He really know also future events? If so, this seems to contradict our free will and even the possibility of non-necessary, contingent events. More in general, how can God know past and future events as such, though being Himself atemporal (this topic has been dealt with by Shinya Moriyama in his talk as well as in his 2014 <a href="http://www.indologica.de/drupal/?q=node/3324" target="_blank">book</a>)? Not to speak of the pragmatic problems caused by omniscience, namely that it is altogether different from the way we usually experience knowledge to happen, i.e. in a  processual way, and that one could never be sure that anyone (even God) is  omniscient, since we are not omniscient and, therefore, could not test Him. Last, as outlined by Arindam (and by Patrick Grimm&#8217;s Cantorian argument against omniscience), God&#8217;s omniscience seems deemed to fail, since it cannot be proven to be logically conceivable. </p>
<p>The general problem appears to me to be that the <em>īśvara</em> is at the same time the knower of all and <em>part</em> of the system which He should know completely, so that He cannot escape the restrictions which apply to this world (in which knowledge is experienced to be processual, entities are not at the same time temporal and non-temporal, and one element cannot know the whole).</p>
<p>*The following points are all discussed by Udayana. For further details, see Chemparathy 1972. The present formulation of the list is largely indebted to Arindam Chakrabarti.</p>
<p><small>Shinya Moriyama also wrote a report about the same workshop, unfortunately (for me) in Japanese. Google translate was enough to understand that it is quite interesting and gives one a perceptive insight in the Philosophy Department in Hawai&#8217;i. You can read it <a href="http://www.shinshu-u.ac.jp/faculty/arts/prof/moriyama_1/2017/03/101544.html" target="_blank">here</a>.</small></p>
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				<description><![CDATA[Marginal notes about a workshop in Hawai'i . A non-intelligible entity cannot be conceived to exist. But, if the world needs to be known in order to exist, we need to postulate a non-partial perspective out of which it can be known. Since the perspectives of all human beings (as well as those of other animals, I would add) are necessarily partial and [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em id="gnt_postsubtitle" style="color:#770005;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1.3em;line-height:1.2em;font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;" style="color:#770005;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1.3em;line-height:1.2em;font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;" style="color:#770005;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1.3em;line-height:1.2em;font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;" style="color:#770005;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1.3em;line-height:1.2em;font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;">Marginal notes about a workshop in Hawai'i </em></p> <p>A non-intelligible entity cannot be conceived to exist. But, if the world needs to be known in order to exist, we need to postulate a non-partial perspective out of which it can be known. Since the perspectives of all human beings (as well as those of other animals, I would add) are necessarily partial and cannot be reconciled (how could one reconcile our perspective of the world with that of a <a href="http://www.jstor.org/stable/2183914?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents" target="_blank">bat</a>?), this perspective needs to be God.<br />
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<p>The above is my summary of Michael Dummett&#8217;s (somehow idealistic) position in <a href="http://www.iep.utm.edu/dummett/#SH3e" target="_blank">God and the World</a>, a position which prompted Arindam Chakrabarti to host a three-days workshop on &#8220;<a href="http://hawaii.edu/phil/international-workshop-realismanti-realism-omniscience-godno-god/" target="_blank">Realism/Anti-Realism, Omniscience, God/no-God</a>&#8221;. During these three days, we discussed the nature of omniscience (in fact, a more complex context than one might think), of God (as above) and of whether they are needed for a realist position. The most striking feature of the workshop was the constant philosophical dialogue flowing through the various presentations and connecting them to the global enterprise of philosophy.</p>
<p>Let me now enter into some detail. First, <strong>omniscience</strong>. The workshop has shown that this concept is multi-faceted in Indian philosophy, possibly even more than in the history of European philosophy and in contemporary mainstream philosophy.<br />
<a href="http://religion.emory.edu/home/people/faculty/mcclintock-sara.html" target="_blank">Sara McClintock</a> started the workshop with a discussion, inspired by her 2007 book <em><a href="http://www.wisdompubs.org/book/omniscience-and-rhetoric-reason" target="_blank">Omniscience and the Rhetoric of Reason</a></em>, on the various ways to understand &#8220;omniscience&#8221; (<em>sarvajñatva</em>), ranging from &#8220;dharmic omniscience&#8221; to &#8220;total omniscience&#8221; &#8212;according to whether the &#8220;omni-&#8221; (<em>sarva</em> &#8216;all&#8217;) is understood as meaning &#8216;every single entity&#8217; or &#8216;all that is relevant&#8217; (for a certain purpose). This second meaning might seem less convincing, but please consider the same word in compounds such as &#8220;omni-vore&#8221;. One would not expect an &#8220;omnivore&#8221; to be eating all (including stones, shampoo, triangles and logical formulas), would one? In this sense, the Buddha can be said to be omniscient, although he does not need to know exactly all, but he knows the four noble truths and whatever is relevant for liberation. As for the general topic of the workshop, however, this kind of omniscience has no bearing as a guarantee of the world&#8217;s reality or of its being as it appears to human beings. In fact, one should also bear in mind that Madhyamaka and Yogācāra Buddhists think that the world as it appears to conscious beings is illusory. An accomplished Buddha would see that it is in fact devoid of substantiality.</p>
<p>Similarly, <a href="http://www.stonybrook.edu/commcms/asianamerican/facultystaff/AndrewNicholson.html" target="_blank">Andrew Nicholson</a> elucidated the supernormal powers (<i>vibhūti</i>s) in the third chapter of the <em>Yogasūtra</em> by drawing on other first millennium texts, such as the <em>Mokṣadharma Parvan</em> of the <em>Mahābhārata</em> and Kauṇḍinya’s commentary on the <em>Pāśupata Sūtra</em>s. Omniscience, he argued, is understood in these traditions as one among the supernormal powers, not as the highest (for instance, Kauṇḍinya suggests that a yogin who merely possesses omniscience without commensurate powers of action (<i>kriyā-śaktis</i>) would be like a lame man). Though Pāśupata and Pātañjala yogins are realists, omniscience is not presented by them as a guarantee of the world’s reality. One could argue in favour of direct realism due to the fact that the world needs to agree (<i>saṃvāda</i>) with the perception yogins have of it, but accomplished yogins seem to have remained rather an exceptional case and not the foundation of any school’s epistemology or ontology. A further interesting point is that for Patañjali, omniscience is not an indication that the yogin has achieved the highest state (as it is of God in some traditions—could one conceive a Christian God who is not omniscient?). A yogin should eventually go beyond the <i>vibhūti</i> of omniscience (<i>sarvajñātṛtva</i>, YS 3.49) to reach the <i>vibhūti</i> of final liberation (<i>kaivalya</i>, YS 3.50). In Arindam Chakrabarti’s words, omniscience is “the last temptation of the yogin”.</p>
<p>Arindam Chakrabarti, in his final talk, has highlighted ten types of omniscience. Apart from the three referred to above, he pointed out 1. the Buddhist idea of knowing all in the sense of knowing that all is insubstantial, 2. the (comparable) Advaita Vedānta idea of knowing all in the sense of knowing that all is brahman, 3. the Jaina idea of innate omniscience of all, which is only blocked by our karman, etc., 4. the Nyāya-based idea that by knowing universal generalities, one should be able to know all (just like one knows all starfish by having known the starfish-universal), and the (generally theist) concepts of 5. a God who needs to know the elements out of which He creates the world, 6. a God who is the maximum of what precedes Him, therefore also the maximum level of knowledge.*<br />
Can any of these concepts help guraranteeing the world&#8217;s reality? 1 and 2 point to a world much different than how we perceive it. 3 could work &#8212;although I do not know whether any Jain author has argued in this way. 4, 5 and 6 might look more promising. One might imagine an author arguing that the world needs to be as we perceive it, because this is how God knows it as well. However, this depends on how one understands God. If He is nothing but one out of the many perspectives hinted at at the beginning of this post, there is no reason to think that His perspective could guarantee the world&#8217;s reality, since it is not a priviledged perspective, just like that of a bat or of a human being.</p>
<p>Thus, the discussion on omniscience leads one to an analysis of the schools&#8217; concepts of God (see part 2 of these notes, here).</p>
<p><small>*Careful readers will have noticed that 6+3=9 and not 10. This is because I have not been able to understand what Arindam meant by his 9th concept of omniscience, described as <em>sarvākārajñāna</em>.<br />
Even more careful readers might ask why I resumed posting about conferences. This is because (as in the case of <a href="http://relations" target="_blank">this</a> conference) organisers and participants of philosophpical conferences appear to be happy of me posting about them.</p>
<p>SMALL UPDATE: Many thanks are due to Andrew Nicholson and Sara McClintock for helping me improving the post.</small></p>
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				<description><![CDATA[As most readers know, Philipp Maas (elaborating on a short article by Johannes Bronkhorst) has claimed that it is highly probable that an independent Yogasūtra never existed and that we should therefore only speak of the Pātañjalayogaśāstra, a work including what is known as Yogasūtra and what is known as Yogabhāṣya. He notices that the [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As most readers know, Philipp <a href="https://univie.academia.edu/PhilippMaas" target="_blank">Maas</a> (elaborating on a short article by Johannes Bronkhorst) has claimed that it is highly probable that an independent Yogasūtra never existed and that we should therefore only speak of the Pātañjalayogaśāstra, a work including what is known as Yogasūtra  and what is known as Yogabhāṣya. He notices that the Yogasūtra is not independently transmitted, that all quotes until the 11th c. refer to either the YS or the YBh in the same way, as if they were the same work. For more details, see section 2 of his article in Franco 2013 (available <a href="https://www.academia.edu/3520571/A_Concise_Historiography_of_Classical_Yoga_Philosophy" target="_blank">here</a>) and his article in Bronkhorst 2010 (available <a href="https://www.academia.edu/212613/On_the_Written_Transmission_of_the_P%C4%81ta%C3%B1jalayoga%C5%9B%C4%81stra" target="_blank">here</a>).</p>
<p>Federico <a href="http://www.unive.it/data/people/7607409/pubb_anno" target="_blank">Squarcini</a> recently disputed this claim<span id="more-2223"></span> on the basis of the fact that it is too much dependent on the manuscript transmission, which is not so meaningful, given that all manuscripts are centuries later than the YS&#8211;YBh:</p>
<blockquote><p>La maggior parte di quelli datati fra essi (manoscritti dello YS&#8211;YBh) è del XIX secolo. […] non si conoscono manoscritti degli <em>Yogasūtra</em> più antichi del XVI secolo d.C (Squarcini 2015, cxii).
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<p>Squarcini also mentions as an evidence in favour of the distinction of the two texts, text-passages such as the following of the YBh:</p>
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<em>iti patañjaliḥ etat svarūpam ity uktam</em> (YBh ad YS 3.44) </p></blockquote>
<p>Here, the author or the YBh seems to quote from the YS as a work by someone different from himself, called Patañjali.</p>
<p>If you read Squarcini, Bronkhorst and Maas, <strong>which arguments convince you more?</strong></p>
<p><small>On Maas 2013 and Maas&#8217; view on the single author of YS and YBh, see <a href="http://elisafreschi.com/2014/01/03/is-there-really-a-single-author-of-the-yogasutra-and-yogabha%e1%b9%a3ya/" target="_blank">here</a>.</small></p>
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					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>Some authors</strong> tend to think that once upon a time there was <strong>one Yoga</strong> and that later this has been &#8220;altered&#8221; or has at least &#8220;evolved&#8221; into many forms. According to their own stand, they might look at this developments as meaningful adaptations or as soulless metamorphoseis. <span id="more-1717"></span></p>
<p><strong>Other authors</strong> tend to think that there were <strong>several trends of Yoga prior to a given point</strong> (usually identified with the <em>Yogasūtra</em> (YS) if you agree with Chapple, etc.,  or with the <em>Pātañjala Yogaśāstra</em> (PYŚ) if you agree with Bronkhorst, <a href="http://elisafreschi.com/2014/01/03/is-there-really-a-single-author-of-the-yogasutra-and-yogabha%E1%B9%A3ya/" target="_blank">Maas</a>, etc.) and that they have been unified into a single system by the author of one or the other text. A long time after that, the same authors claim, new tendencies developed out of this unitary Yoga, much like in the way described by the authors of the fist group.</p>
<p><strong>A minority group of authors</strong> <strong>contests the idea of a unitary Yoga at all</strong> and says that between the various things called Yoga in Classical and Post-Classical India there are at most family resemblances and at least nothing common at all. For these authors, it does not really make sense to host a conference on Yoga with people discussing Buddhist Tantric Yoga, Pāñcarātra Yoga, the Yogasūtra&#8217;s, contemporary Yoga practices and so on.</p>
<p><strong>Who is right?</strong> Difficult to say. The point is that what we have are only fragments of the whole picture and that <em>our interpretation</em> of it will make us interpret some scattered pieces as belonging to the same puzzle or not. Accordingly, if we assume the first perspective, we will consider a form of Yoga which is far away from Patañjali&#8217;s YS (or PYŚ) as still somehow  connected with it and detect slight similarities. If we assume the third perspective, we will rather notice the differences between the two.</p>
<p>Similar differences in approach can be detected in the case of Sāṅkhya (where the first scenario is ruled out by the data and scholars either subscribe to the second or to the third approach), Buddhism, the two Mīmāṃsās (Parpola embraces the first scenario, Bronkhorst the third one, there are no clear data in favour of the second one), the two schools of Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta and so on. In the latter case, in fact, I only know scholars subscribing to the first scenario. Mumme (1988) is aware of the fact that there were differences between the two schools even before the official split, but still calls them both Śrī Vaiṣṇava and says that they were &#8220;complementary&#8221;.</p>
<p><strong>Am I forgetting some further example or some further approach? And which approach do you subscribe to in the cases mentioned?</strong></p>
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				<description><![CDATA[You can read here the list of the 20 semifinalists of the 3quarksdaily prize (see also here) for the best philosophical post of the last year. For a quick summary regarding non-Western philosophy: —Ryan Simonelli&#8217;s Nāgārjuna, Nietzsche, and Rorty’s Strange Looping Trick is the second most voted one! —my Veṅkaṭanātha&#8217;s contribution to Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta is [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can read <a href="http://www.3quarksdaily.com/3quarksdaily/2014/11/3qd-philosophy-prize-semifinalists-2014.html" target="_blank">here</a> the list of the 20 semifinalists of the 3quarksdaily <a href="http://elisafreschi.com/2014/11/20/you-can-now-vote-the-best-philosophical-blogpost/" title="You can now vote the best philosophical blogpost UPDATED">prize</a> (see also <a href="http://elisafreschi.com/links/you-can-vote-your-favourite-philosophical-blogpost/" title="You can vote your favourite philosophical blogpost">here</a>) for the best philosophical post of the last year. For a quick summary regarding non-Western philosophy:<br />
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<p>—Ryan Simonelli&#8217;s <a href="https://absoluteirony.wordpress.com/2014/09/17/nagarjuna-nietzsche-rorty-and-their-strange-looping-trick/" target="_blank">Nāgārjuna, Nietzsche, and Rorty’s Strange Looping Trick</a> is the second most voted one!<br />
—my <a href="http://elisafreschi.com/2014/03/17/ve%e1%b9%85ka%e1%b9%adanathas-contribution-to-visi%e1%b9%a3%e1%b9%adadvaita-vedanta/" title="Veṅkaṭanātha’s contribution to Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta" target="_blank">Veṅkaṭanātha&#8217;s contribution to Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta</a> is No. 10 (many thanks to all who voted it!)<br />
—Ram-Prasad&#8217;s <a href="http://indianphilosophyblog.org/2014/08/25/on-the-possibility-and-nature-of-neurophilosophical-study-of-indic-traditions-a-guest-post-by-chakravarthi-ram-prasad/" target="_blank">On the Possibility of Nature of neurophilosophical study of Indic tradition</a> is No. 19</p>
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		<title>Veṅkaṭanātha&#8217;s contribution to Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta</title>
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		<dc:creator>elisa freschi</dc:creator>
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				<description><![CDATA[Veṅkaṭanātha (traditional dates 1269&#8211;1370 (see Neevel 1977 for a convincing explanation of these too long life spans) is a complex figure who can be interpreted in different ways according to the facet one is focusing on. What is sure is that what we refer to as Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta has been largely influenced by the shape [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Veṅkaṭanātha (traditional dates 1269&#8211;1370 (see Neevel 1977 for a convincing explanation of these too long life spans) is a complex figure who can be interpreted in different ways according to the facet one is focusing on. What is sure is that what <em>we</em> refer to as Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta has been largely influenced by the shape he gave to it. For instance, the traditional lineage of teachers of Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta groups together teachers who bear some vague family resemblance among each other, but who are all directly linkable to Veṅkaṭanātha&#8217;s view of Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta.<br />
The main philosophical outlines of Veṅkaṭanātha&#8217;s Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta are:</p>
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<li>the Vedāntic viewpoint</li>
<li>the emphasis on Pūrva Mīmāṃsā</li>
<li>the incorporation of Pāñcarātra</li>
<li>the incorporation of the Āḻvārs&#8217; theology</li>
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<p>The development of Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta as a vedāntic school is clear as one looks back at Veṅkaṭanātha&#8217;s predecessors, but it is important to notice that what seems a posteriori like a clear Vedāntic school would not probably have appeared as such to its contemporaries. In fact, Yāmuna&#8217;s relation to Vedānta is complex. He quotes from the Upaniṣads in the <em>Ātmasiddhi</em>, and he starts it listing the Vedānta teachers he wants to refute (including Bhartṛhari and Śaṅkara), so that one might think that he is keener to &#8220;purify&#8221; Vedānta than he cares about &#8220;purifying&#8221; Nyāya. At the same time, at least in the <em>Ātmasiddhi</em> (see Mesquita 1971, pp. 4&#8211;13) Yāmuna accepts an anti-Vedāntic proof for the existence of God, namely the inference (whereas Pūrva and Uttara Mīmāṃsā agree that God can only be known through the Sacred Texts) and the <em>Āgamaprāmāṇya</em> seems to have a completely different focus. Rāmānuja is more straightforwardly part of a Vedāntic approach (this is, in my opinion, also the reason why he has been often considered the &#8220;founder&#8221; of Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta &#8212;a term which he and Yāmuna still ignore). As for Nāthamuni, his relation to Vedānta can only be presupposed out of what we know of him through his successors, given that his works have been lost. Their titles focus, however, on Nyāya and Yoga (and not on Vedānta).</p>
<p>As for No. 2, we know nothing about Nāthamuni&#8217;s relation to Mīmāṃsā, but we know that at least one trend within Vedānta (as testified by Śaṅkara&#8217;s commentary on the <em>Brahmasūtra</em>) claimed that the study of Pūrva Mīmāṃsā was not necessary. Yāmuna&#8217;s relation to Pūrva Mīmāṃsā is double-faced, but Pūrva Mīmāṃsā authors seem to be his targeted objectors in the sense that he wants to convince them of the legitimacy of the Pāñcarātra transmission (although often recurring to their same arguments) and he by and large adopts Nyāya strategies (such as the reference to God as the authoritative source of the epistemologic validity of the Pāñcarātra, or the use of inference to establish God&#8217;s existence). The situation changes, perhaps during Yāmuna&#8217;s own life, certainly with Rāmānuja, who steers in direction Vedānta and, thus, comes closer to the Pūrva Mīmāṃsā. So close that he programmatically states at the beginning of his commentary on the <em>Brahmasūtra</em> that not only the Brāhmaṇa part of the Veda needs to be studied, but that its study is part of the same teaching with the Vedānta. Veṅkaṭanātha takes advantage of this (perhaps causal) remark and understands its deep implications: he can thus state that the whole of Pūrva Mīmāṃsā and the whole of Uttara Mīmāṃsā constitute a single teaching (<em>ekaśāstra</em>). </p>
<p>No. 3 and 4: Furthermore, Veṅkaṭanātha used the same model, I think, to incorporate into the system further elements. He reaches back to the Pāñcarātra, which had been defended by Yāmuna but rather neglected by Rāmānuja and, more strikingly, to the hymns of the Āḻvārs. It is in this sense more than telling that Veṅkaṭanātha (as first among the first teachers of Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta) decided to write also in Tamil and to write theology also in poetical form, as the Āḻvārs had done.</p>
<p><strong> Did you ever try to reconstruct what had happened in a single school within some generations of teachers and pupils? What did you find out?</strong></p>
<p><small>On Yāmuna&#8217;s role in what came to be known as Viśiṣṭādvaita Vedānta, check <a href="http://elisafreschi.com/2014/03/14/was-yamuna-the-real-founder-of-visi%E1%B9%A3%E1%B9%ADadvaita-vedanta-on-mesquita-1971-and-1973/" target="_blank">this</a> post, on Pāñcarātra and Vedānta, see <a href="http://elisafreschi.com/2013/11/18/pancaratra-and-vedanta-a-long-and-complicated-relation/" target="_blank">this</a> post. For more on Veṅkaṭanātha, check <a href="http://elisafreschi.com/category/sanskrit-philosophy/visi%E1%B9%A3%E1%B9%ADadvaita-vedanta-sanskrit-philosophy/ve%E1%B9%85ka%E1%B9%ADanathavedanta-desika/" target="_blank">this</a> tag.</small></p>
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