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		<title>Buddhist ethics by Maria Heim</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jan 2020 17:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
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<p>Maria Heim just published a short book on Buddhist ethics, which starts with the problem of the non-existence of ethics as a separate field of philosophy within South Asian philosophy in general and in Buddhist philosophy in particular. She then moves to moral reflections within the dimension of Buddhist practice. The book includes a comparison of Buddhaghosa&#8217;s and Śāntideva&#8217;s teachings and is freely available online until January the 7th. You can download it <a href="https://www.cambridge.org/core/elements/buddhist-ethics/E6ED6394D7CF5471C59D97D21AF3EF12">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Why bother to look at material from South Asia, when there is so much interesting stuff in &#8220;our&#8221; tradition?</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2019 04:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[From time to time and never by scholars, I am confronted with some variant of this question: &#8220;Why bother to look at material from South Asia, when there is so much interesting stuff in &#8220;our&#8221; tradition?&#8221;. As examples for the richness of &#8220;our&#8221; tradition the Bible, the Ancient Greek and Latin classics, European philosophy etc. [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From time to time and never by scholars, I am confronted with some variant of this question: &#8220;Why bother to look at material from South Asia, when there is so much interesting stuff in &#8220;our&#8221; tradition?&#8221;. As examples for the richness of &#8220;our&#8221; tradition the Bible, the Ancient Greek and Latin classics, European philosophy etc. are mentioned. </p>
<p>Once again, let me repeat that I never received this question from scholars, <span id="more-3050"></span></p>
<p>who at most would say something like &#8220;It would be nice to deal with it, unfortunately I am too busy with my own materials&#8221;. Scholars know all too well that research is not and cannot be a priori limited by geographic, historical or cultural boundaries. <strong>If one were to a priori limit one&#8217;s research to a specific geographic, historical or cultural area, one would run the serious risk to mistake presuppositions typical of the area one researches about with intuitions of general value or even &#8220;universal&#8221; elements of human understanding.</strong> This risk is even higher if one is researching on the same cultural area one belongs to, because in that case no distantiation at all may take place. </p>
<p>For instance, let us consider a linguist who were to do research on their own mother-tongue and decide that number and gender are &#8220;basic categories of language&#8221;, and perhaps even affirm that there are only two numbers and three genders. Would not one laugh at the linguist&#8217;s naivety? Would not one immediately object that they should study further languages and check whether their conclusion are right against the background of such languages? </p>
<p>The same would apply to the case of an ethicist who never researched into ethical systems different than the one they were educated in. Would not one say that they risk to mistake their own ethical values with universal ones?</p>
<p>Long story short, <strong>one needs to go outside one&#8217;s own house in order to see it in the right perspective</strong>. This is also the reason why I strongly recommend to all students to take some classes dealing with topics which are far away from them in history, culture or geography. Even if they want to specialise on, say, art-history or medicine as they know it in their own country, they should reach out to gain a broader perspective. This suggestion of mine becomes even more imperative in the case of philosophy. As a matter of fact, a philosopher should first of all be someone who is not afraid to ask questions and unsettle what they thought to be the case. Therefore, they must also constantly look for stimuli from the outside, which could prompt new questions and new unsettlements. </p>
<p>Thus, if we refrain from engaging with other perspectives, we would do better by calling things by their names and call our departments &#8220;Euro-American psychology/architecture/literature…&#8221;, as discussed not too long ago by Jay Garfield and Bryan Van Norden (<a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/opinion/if-philosophy-wont-diversify-lets-call-it-what-it-really-is.html" rel="noopener" target="_blank">here</a>).</p>
<p>Then, there is our <strong>ethical obligation towards our neighbours</strong>, which should make us consider it our duty to try to work for mutual understanding instead of refusing any confrontation whatsoever. How can we expect our students and co-citizens to feel welcome if we refute to engage with anything but the well-known?</p>
<p>Now, at this point I feel I should deal also with the objections I would prefer never to hear.</p>
<ol>
<li><strong> &#8220;The Western model is now dominating the world. Why should we bother learning about any other?&#8221;</strong>
<p>Well, I will probably not convince you, if the language of domination is the only one you understand. <strong>Would you</strong> however <strong>be ready to draw all the consequences</strong> you would need to <strong>and, for instance,</strong> decide that there is no need to study the ancient Greek culture, or be ready to <strong>learn Chinese</strong> and give up Adam Smith, if China turns out to be the dominant culture of the 21st c.?</p>
<p>More seriously, don&#8217;t you think we have an ethical obligation to make the world a place where there is not only one dominant model? Don&#8217;t you think that, especially when we deal with philosophy and ethics (mentioned separately to put more emphasis on it) <strong>it is irresponsible and ethically blameable to try to impose a single model</strong>? Would you really want someone else to do it with you? (Don&#8217;t be too sure that what you call &#8220; the Western model&#8221; includes everything you care for. For instance, does it include a special status for religious belief or rather laicity?)</p>
<p>Last, suppose you don&#8217;t care about ethical issues and only care about profit. Still, the fact that what you call &#8220;the Western model&#8221; is now allegedly &#8220;dominating the world&#8221; might at most mean that a few nations within &#8220; the West&#8221; developed some successful economic and/or military tools. <strong>To claim that &#8220;the Western model&#8221; should automatically be the best one in every possible domain and that nothing can be gained even from an utilitarian point of view by taking inspiration elsewhere is just a non sequitur.</strong> After all, we know that unexpected results came from theoretical research on various topics (for instance, airplanes are now rough and not smooth, because biological researches on the sharks&#8217; skin showed that this helps reducing the amount of fuel needed). </li>
<li></strong> &#8220;In India live hundreds of millions of illitterate people, why should we care?&#8221; </strong>
<p>(This objection literally made me tremble when I first heard it. Fortunately, it is getting rarer and rarer). </p>
<p>Well, we should care for all the altruistic and even for the selfish reasons mentioned above. Moreover, even in your own terms, i.e., even considering that illiterate people are not worth engaging with, there are hundred of millions of Indians, not just in South Asia, but all over the world. Many of them are, for instance, A.I. engineers in the Silicon valley and also take advantage of their heritage to develop new tools, e.g., for computational linguistics. Are you sure that we should not engage with them?<br />
Moreover, following your assumptions, one should also not engage with Chinese and East Asian people, I guess, nor with most people in Africa. Are you really sure we are not missing out on too much? While you are closing doors and windows, other people are engaging in fascinating enterprises.</li>
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<p><strong>How do <em>you</em> react when confronted with such questions?</strong></p>
<p>UPDATE: Thanks to Malcolm K. for a formal correction!</p>
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		<title>On the absence of ethics in Indian philosophy</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2018 11:09:19 +0000</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[a small addendum. Every year, when I introduce Indian philosophy to my students, I deal with the problem of the alleged absence of ethics from it. I basically deal with this absence in multiple ways: First, and more important, I point out that &#8220;philosophy&#8221; is not a natural type. There is no binding reason why something should a [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em id="gnt_postsubtitle" style="color:#770005;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1.3em;line-height:1.2em;font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;" style="color:#770005;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1.3em;line-height:1.2em;font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;" style="color:#770005;font-family:'Helvetica Neue', Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif;font-size:1.3em;line-height:1.2em;font-weight:normal;font-style:italic;">a small addendum</em></p> <p>Every year, when I introduce Indian philosophy to my students, I deal with the problem of the alleged absence of ethics from it. I basically deal with this absence in multiple ways:</p>
<ul>
<li>First, and more important, I point out that &#8220;philosophy&#8221; is not a natural type. There is no binding reason why something should a priori belong to philosophy and, in fact, historically, different texts have been considered philosophically relevant or not (from the Suttanikāya to the Presocratics, from St. Augustin to Levinas, from Nietzsche to Th. Bernhard and G. Leopardi). Hence, there is nothing intrinsically wrong with a philosophical tradition developing more, say, philosophy of language and less, say, ethics, or vice versa. That we think that there are &#8220;core&#8221; disciplines within philosophy is only the result of specific historical circumstances.</li>
<p><span id="more-2965"></span></p>
<li>Then, there have been some specific attempts to locate the place of ethics in Indian thought outside of &#8220;philosophy&#8221;. Shyam Ranganathan has spoken therefore of its presence in <em>bhakti</em> and has accordingly reinterpreted most of what we would call &#8220;religion&#8221; in India. Similarly, Amod Lele has frequently discussed ethical issues in Buddhist thinkers and observed that it is weird that these discussions are excluded from &#8220;philosophy&#8221; stricto sensu. Last, recently Muzaffar Ali has shown that the way debates took place in Indian philosophy allows one to reconstruct ethic reflections about one&#8217;s engagement with the Other.</li>
<li>Among these attempts to individuate the place for ethics in Indian thought, a specific paragraph needs to be dedicated to B.K. Matilal&#8217;s well known volume &#8220;Ethics and Epics&#8221;, in which he individuates such place in the Epics.</li>
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<p> No. 3 allows me to introduce a <a href="https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=7G5jd3a-pM0&#038;t=3352s" rel="noopener" target="_blank">talk</a> by Chakravarti Ram-Prasad which perfectly exemplifies the topic. The talk deals with several ethical challenges, such as gender equality, and looks at the <em>Mahābhārata</em>. We see how these issues are, perhaps not solved, but certainly enacted by characters within this epics. In his contribution to <em>In Dialogue with Classical Indian Traditions</em> (Routledge, forthcoming), Ram-Prasad similarly looks at the <em>Mahābhārata</em> way of looking at the issue of speciesism and how it lets a snake speak for himself. In both cases, there is an intriguing similarity with what Richard Rorty&#8217;s described as the ethical advantage of literature over philosophy, namely its ability to let the protagonists speak for themselves. One does not discuss in theory the advantage of being open to equality among animal species, but listens to a snake&#8217;s plea against unfair treatment.</p>
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		<title>Project on deontic logic in Mīmāṃsā</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Jun 2017 09:52:33 +0000</pubDate>
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				<description><![CDATA[Why is it interesting to deal with Mīmāṃsā deontics? Most deontic theories conflate two different approaches: —ethics —deontics The Mīmāṃsā approach is interesting exactly because it separates the two. In other words, suppose we say that a person O(p) because p is good or because it is God&#8217;s will etc. In this case, you are [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it interesting to deal with Mīmāṃsā deontics?</p>
<p>Most deontic theories conflate two different approaches:</p>
<p>—ethics</p>
<p>—deontics</p>
<p>The Mīmāṃsā approach is interesting exactly because it separates the two. In other words, suppose we say that a person O(p) because p is good or because it is God&#8217;s will etc. In this case, you are using your ethical (and metaphysical) assumptions to ground the validity of your deontic statements. By contrast, Mīmāṃsā authors analyse deontic statements on their own. Just like they analyse the epistemic validity of statements independently of the authority of their authors, so they analysed the deontic validity of statements independently of a further background.</p>
<p>This does not mean that it is ethically good to bring to poverty all human beings. In fact, if you do that, you are surely transgressing the prohibitions to harm human beings and will get negative consequences (=negative karman) out of it, but you do not need ethical presuppositions to make sense of the Mīmāṃsā theory.</p>
<p>For some news on my newly approved project on deontic logic in Mīmāṃsā, please read its website, <a href="https://mimamsa.logic.at/" target="_blank">here</a>.</p>
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		<title>Embedding (materialist) philosophy into a narrative (a guest post by Syed Arman)</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jun 2016 20:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>elisa freschi</dc:creator>
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				<description><![CDATA[This post starts a series of guest posts by younger colleagues. Syed Arman is a student of Muzaffar Ali and the following text was composed in connection with a class on Ethics. Please let me know what you think about this post and about the series by leaving a comment below. A visit to the [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><small>This post starts a series of guest posts by younger colleagues. Syed Arman is a student of Muzaffar <a href="https://jnu.academia.edu/MuzaffarAli" target="_blank">Ali</a> and the following text was composed in connection with a class on Ethics. Please let me know what you think about this post and about the series by leaving a comment below.</small></p>
<p><strong>A visit to the Cursed Village (The Lokayatas)</strong></p>
<p>Summary: Sarah, a German girl, was on a visit to India for a study of its diverse culture and age old tradition. Here she meets Daksh, a young chap from a small town, who helps her in exploring the various spheres of the Indian heritage. It becomes an entirely different experience for her, many rare customs and traditions which she had only read about; she stands now a witness to all these. Sarah had an idea about what her visit in India would be like but there was something which came out of the box, and she is utterly astonished and dazzled to learn about that. It changes the way she used to look at the teachings of this land. Her visit to a place referred to as “Cursed Village” by the locals—the village of the Indian materialists, the Lokayatas—makes her realise that Indian philosophy is not limited to the limitless transcendental atman, but there are some who reduce transcendental Atman to the limited living-body and have a reason for that. The dialogues show how the cursed village turns out to be a blessing for Sarah and Daksh.</p>
<p>Written by:<br />
Syed Arman<br />
B.A. 2 nd yr. Philosophy Hons.<br />
Hindu College, Delhi University, India</p>
<p>The full text is available below or <a href="http://elisafreschi.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/A-visit-to-the-Cursed-Village.pdf"rel="">here</a>:<br />
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<strong>A visit to the Cursed Village (The Lokayatas)</strong></p>
<p>“Don’t go there. I warn you don’t go there. That village is the village of the cursed ones. The people there are cursed by Gods and whosoever goes there gets ruined. Go back both of you, said the age old priest.”<br />
Daksh Shahstri was a twenty-one-year-old college student who lived in a small town near Jaipur with his family. They lived in a two-storey apartment in which the upper storey was usually rented out. This time their guest was a girl name Sarah from Germany. Sarah was 20 years old and was working on a research project on “Indian Culture”. Daksh and Sarah had become good friends. Daksh, after returning from his college made it a point to visit Sarah’s room and help her with the project. If there was nothing to do, Daksh used to help Sarah in learning the local Hindi language. Daksh loved her company and availed every opportunity to spent time with her. Daksh had started liking Sarah. In the beginning he was not clear with his feelings but now he had realised it. He wanted to express his feelings to her but every time he tried he was not able to do so. The two had very different tastes in life and perhaps that might have been the reason as to why Daksh wasn’t able to express himself.<br />
Daksh decided to share his feelings with his friend Radhakrishna. Radhakrishna was his class mate, a very intelligent guy who had been to many countries. At this young age he had experienced life like an adult and everyone in college used to consult him in any matter, personal or otherwise.<br />
After the class, Daksh asked Radhakrishna that if they could spend some time alone in the canteen as he wanted some help. Radhakrishna agreed.<br />
“Radhe, I am so confused I don’t know what to do”, said Daksh. “What’s the matter Daksh?”<br />
“I don’t know how should I express myself?”<br />
“Can you please be clear?”<br />
“She came here for 6 months and 5 months have passed already. I only have one month and this will be over soon like the previous months. She will be in Germany and I would be here, Oh my God, how would I spent my days without her? What if she forgets me? No she can’t. She once said that I am her best friend in India?”<br />
“What are you talking about? Can you please explain properly as to what the matter is?” said Radhakrishnan his tone a bit loud than usual.<br />
“Radhe, I am talking about Sarah, the girl from Germany who is living as a paying guest at my place. I really like her and I want to express my feelings but I don’t know how? Our culture, thinking is so different I don’t know how to relate? How should I start? Please help, Radhe.”<br />
“Ah! That is good news. So, finally my old friend has found his dream girl and that too from Germany,” said Radhakrishnan with a smile on his face.<br />
“Now would you please give me some tips as to how I should go?”<br />
“See Daksh, I think you should take her out to some nice place and with a small gift, express your feelings,” said Radhakrishnan.<br />
“She doesn’t like going out. All she likes is to study about Endia and its culture. I mean no one in India is interested in that and we have someone like her who comes all the way from Germany to India to study our culture. I don’t know despite of all this, why I like her?” said Daksh.<br />
“So, that’s the case. I have a solution for your problem. If she likes Indian culture and its uniqueness, take her to place like that.”<br />
“She has already visited all the places that I know. She now is more aware about the places in Jaipur than us,” said Daksh with a gloom on his face.<br />
“Don’t worry, my friend. There is still a place that I am sure she must have not even heard about.”<br />
“What’s that?”<br />
“The village of the Lokayata (the cursed ones),” said Radhakrishnan.<br />
“LOKAYATA, no not at all. Nobody goes there. I have heard pundit ji saying who so ever goes there faces the wrath of Gods. I have heard those people are against the Holy Vedas.”<br />
“Even I have heard that but nobody knows what it actually is and who knows it might be a good place and all this is a rumour. Now, you have to choose Sarah or Wrath of Gods?” Asked Radhakrishna.<br />
“I will ask Sarah, I have no other option. Let’s see what happens, anyways thank you, Radhe. You always help me. I don’t know how on earth I would have survived without you.”<br />
“I am always there little friend.”<br />
Daksh returned from college and directly went to Sarah’s room. He told her about the village of Lokayata. Sarah agreed to visit the village and expressed her excitement. They decided to pay visit to the village tomorrow morning.<br />
It was a bright sunny day, both of them were ready and started the journey towards the village of Lokayata. The village was located in outskirts and they have to cover majority of the distances by foot.<br />
On their way, they found an age old priest. Sarah suggested Daksh to ask the priest whether they were on the right track or not?<br />
“Panditji we wanted to go to the village of Lokayata? Are we on the right track?”<br />
“Lokayata!” exclaimed the pandit, “how can one be on the right way if he wants to go to the village of the deviated ones, the cursed ones”?<br />
“Don’t go there. I warn you don’t go there. This village is the village of the cursed ones. The people there are cursed by Gods and whosoever goes there gets ruined. Go back both of you,” said the age old priest.<br />
“I think we should go back Sarah, said Daksh in a low tone.”<br />
“No way! After such an introduction, how can one not go there? I want to go. If you want to go back you can,” said Sarah in a stern voice.<br />
“How can I leave you alone Sarah?”<br />
After much walking they saw a small lane on the top of the lane was a board and on this was written Anvikshiki.<br />
“We are close Sarah,” said Daksh, “Radhe said that after going through Anvikshki one reaches the villages. Come let’s go.”<br />
After crossing the small lane, they saw a small village. The people in the village were looking similar but there was some strangeness.<br />
As they entered the village, they grabbed the attention of few village men. They started talking among themselves. One of them approached us and started talking to us in some different language.<br />
“Please tell me what the dwarf men is saying Daksh?” “I don’t know Sarah”.<br />
“Which language is this?”<br />
“I don’t know.”<br />
“Then how are we going to know about them Daksh?” said Sarah.<br />
“Good question Sarah.”<br />
“Ha-ha, very funny Daksh.”<br />
“You speak to them in your local language. May be they will understand.”<br />
Daksh stared speaking in his own language. After listening to Daksh the village man started shouting as if he was calling somebody’s name.<br />
In a short while a smartly dressed person arrived there. He had some resemblance with villagers but he looked familiar or more like us. The village guy talked to him in his own language. After listening to the villager, he came towards us and said,<br />
“Hello, I am Drsna. May I have your introduction please?”<br />
“Hello Drsna, I am Sarah from Germany and this is my friend Daksh from India. I am working on Indian tradition and culture. I am here to know about your village. The village of Lokayata.”<br />
“That’s great!” exclaimed Drsna.<br />
“Welcome to Lokayata. Please come inside. Maybe we can talk more comfortably inside the village premises.”<br />
“So tell me what all do you know about us?” asked Drsna.<br />
“I don’t know much. My friend told me in an outskirt there is a village with some unique tradition and people regard them as cursed,” said Sarah.<br />
“Another thing, while we were walking towards the village and were about to reach the opening of the passage of Anvikshki we met an old priest who Said that people here are cursed by Gods and who so ever goes there will be ruined.”<br />
“People usually say these things. I appreciate the fact that you didn’t blindly believe what that priest said but crossed Anvikshki to know about us. Usually people just believe what the non-Lokayatas say about us and take them as source and don’t even bother to cross Anvikshki to visit us. The other problem we faced was of language. The people were not able to understand our principles as we have age old tradition. So, all that was known was secondary account but I decided to change that and went to different places to learn other language and other knowledge to present the first-hand account. This bad fame about us is merely because of us being described by our oppositions and how can anyone who opposes you present you in a good light. We have faced the same fate for years.”<br />
“Do you mean what people say about you is false and are all allegations?” asked Dasksh “Not all, but the way they present us is not the way we are,” said Drsna.<br />
“So, what is Lokayata and what makes you different than others Drsna?” asked Sarah “We are the Indian materialists. The Carvakas,” said Drsna.<br />
“What Materialist? Indian materialist!! Thought the words are counter intuitive. I was of the belief that the two words can’t go hand in hand. Is it some recent development?” exclaimed Sarah.<br />
“Yes! Indian materialists. It’s not recent this is an age old tradition even before the times of Buddha.” “I can’t believe this. Tell me more about your principles.”<br />
“You see today tag lines written on t-shirts “eat, drink and merry.” This they have derived from us. We follow the same.”<br />
“That’s interesting! Tell me something more?”<br />
“We live a simple life. We don’t get into complexities. We believe that one should minimise the pain and increase pleasure as possible. One should do actions which increases pleasure and decreases pain as far as possible,” said Drsna<br />
“You come close to hedonism, I am stuck. Hedonism in India, I thought it was never possible were people do painful rituals to please God. A land where people sacrifice there pleasure for the desire of heaven and liberation. In a place where people talk about the world hereafter and we have a village following hedonistic principles. It’s so astonishing,” said Sarah.<br />
“It might seem so. But you tell me Sarah don’t we make sense. Why should one not enjoy his life in a futile admiration of enjoyment hereafter? A sure shell is better than a doubtful coin. Why should I sacrifice my pleasure and enjoyment for something I don’t know whether it exists or not? For liberation I don’t think one can be liberated in life. Pain is there till your alive and only death can make you free from pain and suffering. So, death for us is the end and the liberation. This desire for living eternal life is responsible for such theories heaven, of next life, new birth etc. Why can’t we accept death as an end?” said Drsna.<br />
“You mean you don’t believe in svarga and narka?” asked Daksh.<br />
“Svarga, the place where one reaches after performing Vedic rites. These are myths and are inventions of priests whose professional interest lies in coaxing threatening and making people perform the rituals. They make their life heaven by showing the ignorant masses the dreams of heaven.”<br />
“Then you must also not believe in the existence of God?” asked Daksha<br />
“We deny the existence of God, we are atheist. Why do we need a God? The concept of God is much needed by the priest who cannot explain the nature and mechanism of world. We don’t believe in God’s as a cause of universe. We believe that the laws of nature which are inherent in the materials are enough to explain the world as it is without the concept of God.”<br />
“You mean you are nastkia,” said Daksh. “Yes, we are nastika, atheists.”<br />
“I am also an atheist. I believe in science and laws of nature and not on any divine account till now,” said Sarah.<br />
“Sarah, you’re an atheist,” said Daksh in a pained voice.<br />
“She is an atheist. Oh! God please kill me. Now she can have as many boyfriends as she wants. No God to stop her,” murmured Daksh in a low voice.<br />
“So, what do you guys believe in Drsna?” asked Sarah.<br />
“We believe in what we perceive,” said Daksh.<br />
“Ah! George Berkeley. You guys resemble western thought a lot. Tell me more?”<br />
“We believe in matter as only reality as it’s all what we can perceive. The four forms of matter Air, water, earth and fire. These four are responsible for the existence of world as it.<br />
You started like Berkeley but result is totally opposite. Interesting!” said Sarah.<br />
“You don’t believe in soul or the Atman?” asked Daksh.<br />
“For us anything that is perceived exists. We don’t deny soul as such, the conscious living body is soul for us.”<br />
“How can Atman be body?” interrogated Daksh.<br />
“The Atman is the body itself, which is characterized by attributes as we see in daily experiences and judgements like I am smart, I am tall, I am dark I am a proud Indian(quite in trend these days); I, the self, if distinct from body would be meaningless. So, we don’t deny soul but we deny soul being different from body something unperceived.”<br />
“For the time being, let me agree with your argument that soul is body made of the four elements. But tell me how can consciousness be found in body if it’s not present in the four elements you mentioned?” asked Daksh.<br />
“Good question Daksh,” said Sarah. “Thank you, Sarah.”<br />
“I hope he doesn’t have an answer for this one and I would win the argument. Sarah will definitely get impressed,” said Daksh to himself.<br />
“Daksh, take these two bottles of colour. One is the red and the other blue. Please mix them.” Daksh mixed the two and the mixture turned into green colour.<br />
“So, Daksh, was green colour present there already?”<br />
“No, it wasn’t.”<br />
“But how come it’s there if it was not present.” “By mixing the two colours, it’s so simple.”<br />
“In a similar way when the material combine in a particular way they give rise to consciousness which was not there in the individual material,” said Drsna.<br />
“Makes sense,” said Sarah.<br />
Daksh was not satisfied by the answer. But he was not ready with a counter argument so he kept quiet.<br />
“So, if no existence of soul apart from body it means no immortality of soul, it means death as an end. All the question of life after death, heaven and hell becomes meaning less,” said Drsna.<br />
Daksh while listening to Drsna observed something unusual. Large quantity of smoke was coming out from the back side of one of the house in the village.<br />
“Sarah, see I think that house has caught fire. We should run for the rescue,” said Daksh. Drsna asked Daksh to stop but he ignored him and ran towards the house.<br />
On close observation, he saw that it was a stage show practice and the members were trying to create smoke with the help of dry ice in water.<br />
After a while, Drsna came following the two.<br />
“I told you it’s not fire but you didn’t listen. They are just creating effects for their performance,” said Drsna<br />
“It’s not, but there usually is no smoke without a fire,” said Sarah “Here you have inferred and therefore committed a mistake.” “What’s wrong with inferring?” asked Daksh<br />
“Take the present case. You inferred from smoke that there was fire because you think all instance of smoke are instances of fire, this particular case is also a case of smoke, therefore you thought there is fire.”<br />
“For such a stand you should have proper knowledge of all cases of fire and smoke which is practically not possible. What is found to be present in universally present perceived cases of smoke may not be present in unperceived ones. I am not saying that you will be always wrong while inferring but what I am trying to say is that there is a chance of error in inference as just happened. So, we can’t take it as valid source totally,” explained Drsna<br />
“What about uniformities experienced objects possess? How will you explain that?”<br />
“What do you mean Sarah? Please be more lucid,” asked Drsna<br />
“Let me put it like this, why is fire always hot and water always cold?”<br />
“Now I got your point. It’s because of their inherent natures of things that they possess. There is neither any guarantee that uniformity perceived in past would continue in nature.”<br />
It turned dark outside. Sarah reminded Daksh of getting back as it’s already late.<br />
“Thank you, Drsna, I am really thrilled to hear all your philosophy. Today my perception about Indian philosophy has changed. I thought that there is no materialist thought in the ancient Indian philosophy but Carvakas is as old as Epicureans. All your arguments are very nice. I have few refutations but I am short of time. I need to ask you more. I invite you to come to my place. So that we can carry on the discussion.”<br />
“I accept the invitation and would love to hear your refutation. I hope one or the other gets convinced. Even if not, let’s agree to disagree. Thanks for coming. Not all take the path of Anvikshki.”<br />
“I have one final question,” asked Daksh<br />
“Yes, please.”<br />
“People say you don’t even believe in The Holy Vedas? Is that true?”<br />
“I already mentioned we only believe in what we perceive. Knowledge of words is, therefore, knowledge through perception and is quite valid. But if the words suggest something that can’t be perceived and is of objects unperceived we doubt that and same is the case with knowledge from authority. For Vedas we don’t believe in them. We look towards Vedas in the same way as I talked about religion. It has been written by some priests for their benefits. Through Vedic rites they have benefited themselves and have earned superiority, high esteem an ecclesiastical monopoly. Vedas is just a tool for justifying their acts.”<br />
Daksh was not satisfied by this answer. He had his refutation as Vedas is not only about rites and rituals. He thought this method adopted by them limits the scope of knowledge. But as it was getting late, so he decided to rest his case.<br />
Daksh replied, “Do visit my place. We are going to have a good time”.<br />
On their way back, both of them for a long time didn’t utter a single word. Sarah was just thinking about what she just heard few hours ago and comparing it with all what she learned in Germany. The thoughts of Karl Marx, Hume&#8217;s theory of Causality, gene theory, philosophical fundamentalism ant the teachings of Carvaka were revolving round her mind. On the other hand, Daksh was also thinking about the argument. The conversion had changed the way Daksh used to think. He was not totally convinced but the words of Drsna had sown a seed of critical examination in his mind. He now decided to study all the texts. At the same instant, he thought that the purpose of his visit was not fulfilled. He hardly got some lone time with Sarah.<br />
“Daksh, is everything fine?” asked Sarah. “Yeah, absolutely, how was the visit?”<br />
“It was really great. Thank you so much Daksh. You have helped me a lot in these months. You’re one of my best friends.”<br />
“Thank you Sarah,” said Daksh.<br />
“How about watching a movie tomorrow?”<br />
“Why not,” said Daksh, with a big smile on his face.<br />
“Will it be fine if we go out for a dinner after that?” asked Sarah politely “Yeah sure,” replied Daksh .<br />
“Today was the best day of my life. The cursed village turned into a blessing for me,” said Daksh to himself.</p>
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		<title>Buddhist morality and merciful lies</title>
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				<description><![CDATA[Amod Lele recently asked whether there is an emic Buddhist morality or whether this is only a Yavanayāna invention (i.e., an invention of contemporary Western-trained Buddhists). The question is in itself interesting, but the discussion it triggered is even more, since Jayarava (who blogs here) added the problem of the possible inconsistency of the doctrine [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amod Lele recently <a href="http://loveofallwisdom.com/blog/2016/01/on-the-very-idea-of-buddhist-ethics/#comments" target="_blank">asked</a> whether there is an emic Buddhist morality or whether this is only a Yavanayāna invention</p>
<p><div style="width: 249px" class="wp-caption alignright"><img fetchpriority="high" decoding="async" src="https://sebersole.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/global_warming.jpg" alt="" width="239" height="313" /><p class="wp-caption-text">from http://sebersole.wordpress.com</p></div></p>
<p>(i.e., an invention of contemporary Western-trained Buddhists). The question is in itself interesting, but the discussion it triggered is even more, since Jayarava (who blogs <a href="http://jayarava.blogspot.co.at/" target="_blank">here</a>) added the problem of the possible inconsistency of the doctrine of <em>karman</em> if one denies the continuity of the self. That there is a problem cannot be denied: Why should we care about the <em>karman</em> our actions accumulate, if it is not going to affect &#8220;us&#8221;?</p>
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<p>Now, I am tempted to answer that we should care, just like we should care for global warming, although it is not going to affect us. We should start thinking altruistically about future human beings and their well-being. Similarly, if I were a 5th c. Buddhist, I would want to avoid accumulating bad <em>karman</em>, since this would lead to bad consequences, although not for me (since I do not exist). Incidentally, one might add that I do not care for the consequences of global warming on future generations just <em>because</em> I am deluded and think of them a substantial selves very much different from my self. Once I realise that there is no continuity in what I consider to be my self, I will probably cease seeing the discontinuity as so sharf. Jayarava replied to the above point by saying that this would not motivate anyone to be moral &#8212;in fact, global warning does not seem to motivate most people to act for the benefit of other people in the future. I agree that it does not motivate <em>normal</em> (i.e., deluded) people, who only act for the sake of their non-existent self, but I think that it could motivate people who have undertaken the Buddhist path and are becoming aware of the reality of <em>anātmatā</em>. I agree with Jayarava that normal people will need to think of <em>karman</em> as something regarding themselves and that in this sense there are two parallel narratives in Buddhist texts (one about <em>anātmatā</em> and one about morality&#8212;which presupposes an enduring self). However, as someone who <a href="http://elisafreschi.blogspot.co.at/2011/03/methodological-manifesto.html" target="_blank">methodologically</a> <a href="http://warpweftandway.com/interpreting-philosophy-works/" target="_blank">tries</a> to make as much sense as possible of the texts she reads, I feel compelled to try to find a possible way to avoid the contradiction &#8212;and the global warning parallel comes to my mind as a suitable one.</p>
<p>However, another commenter, Jim Wilton, takes a different line of defense, namely, he says that the idea of a permanent self as a support for the continuity of <em>karman</em> is a sort of a merciful lie, needed for us, deluded people, although its falsity is clear to the Bodhisattva who utters it. Jayarava replies that he does not want a patronalising Bodhisattva treat him like a child. This is an interesting (and appealing &#8212;at least to me) reaction. Thus, I wonder:</p>
<p><strong>Does the doctrine of <em>upāyakaśalya</em> imply or at least justify merciful lies?</strong></p>
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		<title>On the universality of ethics (Rahul Peter Das 2012 and Hindu bioethics)</title>
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				<description><![CDATA[In a previous post I had discussed the importance of making the discussions on global ethics more inclusive. Now, while reading Rahul Peter Das&#8217; On &#8220;Hindu&#8221; Bioethics (in Saṁskṛta-sādhutā, the Festschrift for Ashok Aklujkar) I found however a possible objection to this claim. In fact, as Das, shows, not all cultures have elaborated a distinct [&#8230;]]]></description>
					<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In a previous <a href="http://indianphilosophyblog.org/2015/10/08/the-duty-to-do-philosophy-interculturally/" target="_blank">post</a> I had discussed the importance of making the discussions on global ethics more inclusive. Now, while reading Rahul Peter Das&#8217; <em>On &#8220;Hindu&#8221; Bioethics</em> (in <em>Saṁskṛta-sādhutā</em>, the Festschrift for Ashok Aklujkar) I found however a possible objection to this claim. In fact, as Das, shows, not all cultures have elaborated a distinct system of, e.g., bioethics, so that what is presented as &#8220;Hindu&#8221; or &#8220;Buddhist bioethics&#8221; is often an arbitrary construction. <span id="more-2027"></span></p>
<p>For instance, Swasti Bhattacharyya (2006), according to Das </p>
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attempts to formulate a &#8220;Hindu&#8221; bioethics of assisted reproductive technology mainly by exploring birth narratives in the <em>Mahābhārata</em>&#8211;taken to represent &#8220;Hindu&#8221; thought <em>per se</em>. (p. 121)
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<p>This brings one to the more general question of whether each culture of the world must have developed a distinct bioethics. Das quotes Iwersen 2008 on this topic:</p>
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From a philosophical point of view, the problem with this is not so much the impossibility of an ethics having appeared in some non-European people [with God&#8217;s help, Iwersen is willing to concede this, EF], but, rather, that  what are being presented as non-European ethics are mostly more in the nature of compilations of that which is, <em>in the opinion of each particular author</em>, regarded as proper in the respective ethnic groups, regions, or, as in the case of African philosophy, even whole continents. However, in cases which concern the convictions of humans, we do not for no reason still speak of ethos. Ethics, on the other hand, always implies the setting up of certain criteria for judging the rightness of moral action. (p. 122, emphasis added)
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<p>One can easily claim that ethics does not need to be systematic, and that this element is only typical of the particular historical instantiation of ethics we are more familiar with &#8212;yet Das is most probably right in warning against too arbitrary summaries of &#8220;Hindu ethics&#8221; or the like, especially when they are uncritically recommended to, e.g., physicians in their daily practice.</p>
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